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January 2010 - Posts - PE Licensing

January 2010 - Posts

Master’s or Equivalent: Education Impacts

This is the third in a series of four articles prepared by a subcommittee of the NSPE Licensure and Qualifications for Practice Committee examining the various impacts of the additional engineering education initiative. This summary was drafted by Paul D. Schmidt, P.E. Comments are welcome.

The fundamental goal of the “Masters or Equivalent” initiative is to require additional education to provide an improved base of knowledge for those wishing to practice at the professional level. This will both require and cause changes in engineering education in the U.S.

The current proposals for additional education would require either a master’s degree in engineering or 30 credit hours of post-baccalaureate education with the 30 credit hours either upper-level undergraduate or graduate-level courses or approved courses/programs of equivalent rigor. Institutions of higher learning will need to provide for this additional course work. The increase in the number of students pursuing a master’s degree will require an increase in the size and number of master’s degree programs. This will also impact the types of programs, likely increasing the number of practice-oriented master’s programs. This will impact colleges and universities across the country, which will need to expand offerings and increase in overall size. While there is some concern with the ability to handle additional students, it is commonly believed that there is currently excess capacity within the existing graduate-level programs in the U.S. It is anticipated that the education marketplace will adjust to meet the changing demand.

One question often asked is, What about students who cannot get accepted in a master’s degree program, either due to grades or other criteria? Many programs will accept students who meet most, but not all, of their acceptance criteria on a probationary basis. For those who are not accepted in a degree program, typically graduate-level courses can be taken as a non-degree-seeking student without being admitted to a graduate program. In this case, the graduate-level courses would satisfy the 30 hour “or equivalent” requirement.

Students who enter the workforce upon graduation from an undergraduate program have several options to meet the “master’s or equivalent” requirement. In addition to taking individual courses, students have the opportunity to take master’s degree programs by distance education and programs with an executive format that allow classes to be taken outside typical workday hours. It is anticipated the opportunities for these options will expand over time and as demand increases. There are some in academia who predict that 20 years from now more than half of graduate engineering education will be provided by distance learning.

The increased requirements will also have an effect on the nature of engineering education. Challenges for future licensed professional engineers will require both a breadth of knowledge in fundamental engineering and sciences and social sciences, as well as increasing depth of knowledge in specialized engineering disciplines. The increase in base requirements for licensure will provide an opportunity for engineering educational programs to adjust their curriculum to best meet these breadth and depth requirements. Current discussions regarding the master’s or equivalent requirement suggest that at least half of the additional credit hours be in engineering subjects. Some programs may choose to expand undergraduate offerings of professional practice topics such as management, leadership, economics, and sustainability and provide for specialization in post-undergraduate studies.

NSPE Licensure and Qualifications for Practice Committee, Master’s or Equivalent Subcommittee: Paul Schmidt, P.E.; Michael Gunsch, P.E.; Mark Davy, P.E.; Jon Nelson, P.E.; Bernard Berson, P.E.; Paul Taormina, P.E.; Robert Stanley, P.E.

Alternate Pathways to the PE: How States Vary in Their Engineering Education Licensure Requirements

For many decades now, the NCEES Model Law has indicated that the recommended educational requirement for licensure as a professional engineer is a baccalaureate degree in engineering from a program accredited by the Engineering Accreditation Commission (EAC) of ABET, “or equivalent.” The interpretation of the “or equivalent” has been a state-by-state determination, and in some cases an applicant-by-applicant determination. Historically, the “or equivalent” has been most applicable in its application to degrees from universities in foreign countries that have been evaluated to determine the approximate equivalence to a BS degree from an EAC/ABET program. Some jurisdictions have also used the “or equivalent” clause to deal with a variety of domestic “equivalents.”

In addition to the case-by-case determination of equivalence, many states have adopted alternate pathways to licensure over the years. Some of these provisions are relics of the early days of licensure when pathways to licensure were provided for those without degrees, and some of these loopholes have not been closed since. Other states have legislated specific licensure pathways for those with technology rather than engineering education, and for those with science rather than engineering degrees.

The current alternate pathways to licensure can be found in the table below. This information needs a HUGE CAVEAT. IT MAY NOT BE COMPLETELY ACCURATE. The information was extracted from an NCEES licensure board survey, the results of which are available at www.ncees.org. From a review by a handful of people to date, it has been shown to be inaccurate in some circumstances, as, so far, three states indicated to have no alternate pathways indeed had significant alternate pathways in their statutes. Those have been corrected. Others may need similar correction. Four jurisdictions had not responded to the published survey, so their information isn’t available. One other caveat is necessary: For those states that do not have any alternate pathways to licensure other than a degree from an EAC/ABET accredited program, some may have traditions of interpreting the “or equivalent” clause in different ways. So, there may exist in practice some manner of additional “flexibility” that might not be apparent from statutes and rules. Despite this table’s likely inaccuracy for some specific states, it does present an overall view of current alternate pathways to licensure.

What does this information show? About 2/3 of states provide an alternate pathway to licensure for those with baccalaureate degrees from programs accredited by the Technology Accreditation Commission (TAC) of ABET. Most of these programs require additional engineering experience, ranging from 5 to 12 years. More than 2/3 of states provide an alternate pathway for those with science rather than engineering degrees, and again, most of these require additional engineering experience, from 6 to 12 years. Eight states still have alternate pathways for candidates without any degree, with experience requirements ranging from 4 to 25 years. In at least several of these states, PE board members have not been able to recall an instance when a new licensee without any degree was provided an initial license in the last several decades. These “no-degree” loopholes are not commonly used, at least in some of the few states where these remain.

None of these alternate pathways to licensure are included in the Model Law, and engineers who are licensed through these alternate pathways do not necessarily receive comity licensure in other jurisdictions. In recent years, the PEs with national mobility are those who are Model Law Engineers and who maintain a Council Record through NCEES. These engineers receive expedited comity in many jurisdictions, and thus have enhanced mobility. None of the PEs licensed by the alternate pathways described herein are Model Law Engineers, and they do not benefit from enhanced mobility.

These alternate pathways have existed for many decades. It is the decision of individual states whether or not to provide alternate pathways, and more often than not it is a decision of the legislature, based on lobbying from those with alternate qualifications. As each state considers changes to its statute and rules to modify qualifications required for licensure, this is the landscape from which the consideration of those modifications begins.


NCEES Licensing Board Survey - Alternate Pathways to Licensure - 2009

THE INFORMATION IN THIS TABLE MAY NOT BE ACCURATE FOR ALL STATES. FOR ACCURATE and CURRENT INFORMATION REGARDING A SPECIFIC STATE, REVIEW THAT STATE’S STATUTES AND RULES and/or CONTACT THAT STATE’S PE BOARD DIRECTLY (SEE NOTE BELOW).

See www.ncees.org for survey response summaries

 

 

 

Years of Experience Required with Education Indicated

 

 

Jurisdictions

 

TAC ABET

 

Non ABET Engrg

Science

 

No

 

 

 

4 year degree

4 year degree

4 year degree

Degree

Alaska

 

 

5

 

6

 

6

 

NO

Alabama

 

 

NO

 

6

 

NO

 

NO

Arkansas

 

 

NO

 

NO

 

NO

 

NO

California

 

 

6

 

6

 

6

 

6

Colorado

 

 

6

 

6

 

NO

 

NO

Connecticut

 

 

7

 

9

 

NO

 

NO

Delaware

 

 

8

 

8

 

8

 

NO

Florida

 

 

NO

 

NO

 

NO

 

NO

Georgia

 

 

6.5

 

7

 

7

 

15

Hawaii

 

 

8

 

8

 

12

 

NO

Iowa

 

 

NO

 

5

 

NO

 

NO

Idaho

 

 

4

 

4

 

4

 

NO

Illinois

 

 

NO

 

8

 

8

 

NO

Indiana

 

 

NO

 

4

 

8

 

NO

Kansas

 

 

NO

 

NO

 

NO

 

NO

Kentucky

 

 

NO

 

NO

 

NO

 

NO

Louisiana

 

 

NO

 

8

 

NO

 

NO

Massachusetts

 

8

 

8

 

NO

 

NO

Maryland

 

 

8

 

8

 

8

 

NO

Maine

 

 

4

 

8

 

8

 

NO

Michigan

 

 

NO

 

NO

 

NO

 

NO

Minnesota

 

 

NO

 

6

 

NO

 

NO

Missouri

 

 

NO

 

4

 

NO

 

NO

Mississippi

 

 

NO

 

NO

 

NO

 

NO

Montana

 

 

4

 

NO

 

NO

 

NO

North Carolina

 

8

 

12

 

8

 

12

North Dakota

 

12

 

8

 

12

 

12

Nebraska

 

 

NO

 

NO

 

NO

 

NO

New Hampshire

 

8

 

10

 

NO*

 

25

New Mexico

 

 

6

 

NO

 

NO

 

NO

Nevada

 

 

6

 

6

 

8

 

NO

New York

 

 

6

 

6

 

9

 

12

Ohio

 

 

8

 

NO

 

NO

 

NO

Oklahoma

 

 

6

 

6

 

6

 

NO

Oregon

 

 

6

 

4

 

12

 

NO

Pennsylvania

 

NO

 

12

 

12

 

12

Rhode Island

 

6

 

6

 

NO

 

NO

South Carolina

 

8

 

8

 

NO

 

NO

South Dakota

 

5

 

NO

 

NO

 

NO

Tennesee

 

 

NO

 

4

 

NO

 

NO

Texas

 

 

8

 

8

 

8

 

NO

Virginia

 

 

6

 

6

 

6

 

NO

Vermont

 

 

8

 

12

 

NO

 

NO

Washington

 

 

5

 

8

 

8

 

NO

Wisconsin

 

 

4 to 12

 

4 to 12

 

4 to 12

 

4 to 12

West Virginia

 

6

 

4

 

4

 

NO

Wyoming

 

 

NO

 

NO

 

NO

 

NO

 

Totals

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 


 




 

 

 

4-12 Years

 

30

4-12 years

35

4-12 years

20

4-25 years

8

 

NO

 

17

NO

12

NO

27

NO

39

Note - Arizona , the District of Columbia , New Jersey and Utah did not respond to the survey

*In NH, a science BS is acceptable, with an engineering master's degree.

Note - This table is not definitive. The information is taken from a survey summary, and the specific requirements vary in clarity and requirement from state to state. Refer to state laws and rules for specific information.