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November 2010 - Posts - PE Licensing

November 2010 - Posts

Like Medicine, Engineering Should Focus on Post-Licensure Specialty Certification

In the United States, medical doctors are licensed by state medical boards to practice medicine. That is all that is needed for state medical boards to be able to carry out their statutory mandate to protect the public health, safety, and welfare by assuring that those who practice as physicians have the requisite education and experience to practice medicine. New physicians are examined through the United States Medical Licensing Examination (similar to the PE exam). State medical boards do not license medical specialties, recognizing advanced qualifications in medicine. If a physician wishes to pursue a specialty, say in anesthesiology, they have to gain another four or so years of experience in anesthesiology beyond the initial residency. After that, they can apply to the American Board of Anesthesiology (www.theaba.org, or do a Google search of “American Board of”—you will get pages and pages of them) to take the examinations leading to a specialty certification in anesthesiology. There are many specialty certifications in medicine, each overseen not by state regulatory boards, but rather by professional organizations. When a hospital needs another anesthesiologist, they hire one who is a licensed medical doctor in their state, and, most likely, one who has a specialty certification in anesthesiology from the ABA. The same is true of surgeons, neurosurgeons, radiologists, internists, obstetricians, etc., etc. In medicine, the professional associations determine the advanced qualifications required to practice in medical specialties, not the limited number of board members who are gubernatorial appointees to a state medical board.

The Web site of the American Board of Medical Specialties provides a brief description of medical licensing in the U.S.:

“Physician board certification is a voluntary process that approximately 80 percent of doctors in the U.S. obtain. A physician is licensed by the state to "practice medicine and surgery," and medical board certification is not a requirement for licensure. Licensed physicians may practice in whatever medical disciplines interest them and can legally practice in that field of interest without obtaining a medical residency or fellowship. Board certification, however, means that a physician’s skills and knowledge in the specialty/subspecialty has been examined and meets standardized requirements by an ABMS Member Board. Additionally, some of the surgical specialties require one or more years of experience before physicians can take their board-certifying exams (the number of years varies according to each board).”

Quite frankly, the licensure process in medicine couldn’t work otherwise because the state medical board would need to have too many physicians of all those specialties. And from a regulatory standpoint, it isn’t needed. In our licensing system, we regulate professions state by state essentially to accomplish two objectives: to establish and regulate a minimum threshold of education, experience, and examinations to practice that profession at a minimum level of competence; and to put in place a regulatory system to be able to discipline those who commit professional misconduct in a fashion that may negatively impact the public health, safety, and welfare.

Engineering is no different. We license engineers as professional engineers by establishing a threshold of minimum competence evidenced by appropriate standards of education, experience, and examination, and we establish a regulatory system in each state to assure that all professional engineers practice ethically and responsibly. Disciplinary power is in place to deal appropriately with those who don’t. As in medicine, regulating advanced engineering qualifications at the PE board level isn’t necessary from a regulatory/legal perspective, and it isn’t appropriate.

The American Society of Civil Engineers maintains a post-licensure certification program, for example, providing a Diplomate Water Resources Engineer specialty certification. This certification is for those water resources engineers who demonstrate by advanced education and experience that they have achieved an advanced level of qualification in water resources engineering, including achieving the requisite body of knowledge.

The American Academy of Environmental Engineers maintains a certification program, previously called Diplomate Environmental Engineer (DEE), and now called Board Certified Environmental Engineer (BCEE), which involves documentation of advanced education and experience and written and/or oral examinations showing advanced qualifications in environmental engineering.

These, and other, engineering certifications can play the same role in engineering as do the certification programs in medicine.

Structural engineers, through the ASCE Structural Engineering Institute, and through the National Council of Structural Engineering Associations, have been advocating that PE boards in the U.S. initiate separate licensure, after the PE, for structural engineers (read "Debating the Structure of Licensing"). The structural engineers mean well, but they are barking up the wrong tree. This initiative has two fatal flaws.

1. This initiative would need to be as applicable in the future to nuclear engineers, or hazardous waste engineers, et al, as it is to structural engineers. Many structural engineers believe that structural engineering uniquely imperils the public health, safety, and welfare, and this contention simply isn’t valid. The discussion is without merit. In the long run, having the state regulate multiple engineering disciplines won’t work.

2. From a legal and regulatory standpoint, the regulation of advanced qualifications isn’t necessary. It isn’t necessary in the medical profession, and it isn’t necessary in the engineering profession. Licensure followed by specialty certification works well in protecting the public health, safety, and welfare in anesthesiology and neurosurgery; it can work as well in engineering.

Engineers of all disciplines should together recognize that technology is expanding, and will continue to expand, and that engineering practice in all disciplines that impact the public health, safety, and welfare will continue to become more complex and more demanding in terms of both technical and professional practice skill sets. The appropriate method of recognizing the advanced qualifications required is:  1) through expanding specialty certification to many more disciplines; 2) ensuring that those certifications have an appropriate level of rigor, and; 3) educating owners and others who employ engineers that these specialty certifications are desirable and necessary to reflect the advanced qualifications required for complex engineering assignments.

It works in medicine; it always has. It can work the same way in engineering, and engineers should be working together to make it work well, the same way it works in medicine. If it works for neurosurgeons, it will work for structural engineers.

Editorial input provided by Bernard R. Berson, P.E., F.NSPE and L. Robert Smith, P.E., F.NSPE.

Professional Engineers Ontario Removes Cross Border Engineering Practice Barriers

Canadian professional engineers in the western and maritime provinces have for many years worked closely with U.S. PE boards—mostly in border states—to foster mobility for Canadian engineers in the U.S., and for U.S. engineers in Canada. It has long been a sticking point with Canadian engineers that they are required to take and pass the FE and PE examinations to become licensed in most U.S. jurisdictions, but the exams are beginning to be administered in Canada, and most Canadian engineers pass with flying colors. With respect to the province of Quebec, there is a language barrier that creates an unavoidable barrier to cross-border practice, in many cases in both directions.

But the situation in Ontario has been entirely different in the past.

In Canada, engineers themselves regulate the profession through Engineers Canada, which is a national organization consisting of 12 provincial and territorial engineering associations, representing the more than 234,000 members of the profession in Canada. They formulate and adopt the rules and regulations. They accredit university engineering programs. They register engineers, and enforce the rules and regulations with respect to the practice of engineering. And they do a pretty good job of it. Engineering education in Canada is strong. Canadian engineer interns are required to complete structured, mentored, and evaluated experience, and a non-technical professional practice examination is required prior to registration as a PEng (professional engineer).

Ontario’s past rules and regulations have made it extraordinarily difficult for a U.S. engineer to become licensed in Ontario. The problem was that the rules stipulated that at least 12 months of the engineer’s experience must be in Canada, unless that provision is waived. The rules further stated that experience outside Canada could “count” if the experience was in the employment of a company whose head office was in Canada or under the direct supervision of an engineer licensed in any Canadian jurisdiction and the experience provided the engineer with appropriate knowledge of Canadian codes, regulations, and standards of practice. This type of restriction was unique to Ontario; it did not exist in other Canadian provinces, nor did it exist in any U.S. jurisdiction.

Those restrictive provisions in Ontario are now gone. Professional Engineers Ontario has shepherded revisions to the professional engineers act through the legislative process, removing these artificial and protectionist barriers to cross-border practice. As finalized in November, 2010, the Ontario professional engineers act now keys on qualifications rather than residency (see Schedule 2).

This success follows a two-and-a-half-year quest on the part of Gene Corley of Illinois, to become licensed as a professional engineer in Ontario. Dr. Corley is clearly more than “minimally competent,” the licensure threshold. He is an internationally renowned structural engineer, a Distinguished Member of ASCE, a past recipient of the NSPE Award, and a past president of NCEES. After his two-and-a-half-year year quest, Dr. Corley became the first U.S. licensee in Ontario following the passage of the new act.

U.S. engineers will likely continue to be required to pass, as Gene Corley did, the Canadian professional practice examination, to demonstrate knowledge of applicable Canadian laws, codes, standards, and other professional practice matters. It appears that U.S. engineers will need to pass Canadian examinations, and it also appears that Canadian engineers will need to pass U.S. examinations to practice in most states. Fair enough.

Ontario PEng’s, you did the right thing. Well done.

Editorial input provided by Bernard R. Berson, P.E., F.NSPE; L. Robert Smith, P.E., F.NSPE; and W. Eugene Corley, Ph.D., P.E., S.E., P.Eng., Dist.M.ASCE, F.NSPE (who may now need larger sized business cards in order to include all those abbreviations).

Continuing Education: Make It Count

About 40 engineering licensure jurisdictions in the U.S. now require continuing professional development for renewal of PE licenses, and most professional engineers are now regularly accumulating professional development hours, or PDHs.

The rules in almost every state are flexible, and purposely so. Flexibility is required in terms of content, format, and providers because engineering practice is so different among engineering disciplines, practice areas, and specific work roles that anything other than great flexibility would place restrictions that would limit the usefulness of continuing education.

Lifelong learning is critical in an engineering career. On an on-going basis, what you know needs to be revamped. And the rate of technological change is increasing over time. While 15 hours per year is likely not adequate to allow you to remain abreast of technological change in your discipline, continuing education can be part of that process. Continuing professional development provides an excellent opportunity to grow professionally in areas that are related to one’s professional practice. It is an investment in each engineer’s time, and the individual’s or employer’s money. The time and money need to be invested wisely. Over the course of a 30 or 40 year engineering career, continuing education can make a difference in a professional engineer’s skill set, but only if that investment of time and money is properly focused.

But many engineers are wasting this opportunity. Continuing education programs have grown in most states in response to professional engineers’ need to “get PDHs”. General continuing education offerings in technical topic areas are often decidedly on the “light side,” and rooms are often full of engineers of disciplines entirely different from the topic area and who are there just “getting PDHs.” This is a wasted opportunity.

Most continuing professional development sessions present evaluation forms to those attending. Do yourself and your profession a favor: If a session appears to be “light-weight” or of little use to your engineering practice, say so in a constructive fashion on the evaluation form. This can help improve offerings.

Continuing education opportunities in engineering ethics or in management (general, administrative, risk, project, etc.) and other similar topics can apply across the board to all engineering disciplines. In technical topic areas, make it count. Focus on areas within or related to your practice, where growing your knowledge base will pay dividends in your professional practice. It might be a better investment to attend a national or regional conference in a related discipline area to attend presentations on cutting-edge topics. Don’t sit through presentations unrelated to your practice area. It can be a waste of your time and money, and a missed opportunity to grow professionally.

The best way to assure that continuing education counts is to plan it out ahead of time. You, with the help of your mentor early in your career, should think about topic areas that would help further your capabilities and look for high quality opportunities in those topic areas over time. A conscious and focused effort in planning your long term continuing education will go a long way toward furthering your career-long professional growth. And that growth is critical to professional success.

Think about it. Don’t just scramble to get PDHs when time is short.

Editorial input on this item was provided by Bernard R. Berson, P.E., F.NSPE and L. Robert Smith, P.E., F.NSPE.