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The PE Degree

Through my travels throughout the U.S. as NSPE president, I’ve been involved in numerous discussions over the “B+30” proposal to increase the amount of education required to become a licensed professional engineer. The viewpoints run the gamut, due in part to a great deal of misunderstanding about what is being sought.

At issue is not the educational experience and competence of every individual who will graduate with a degree in engineering, but the need for a professional degree in engineering (a PE degree). Statistics show that only 1 in 10 engineering graduates will pursue licensure. The other nine pursue careers in a multitude of fields that don’t require a license. This shouldn’t be a debate about changing the engineering curriculum for all. It should be a debate about the level of education that we should require to become a PE.

We need to reframe the argument and the debate around a professional degree in engineering for those who want to pursue a PE license. That in my mind is the essence of the proposal from the National Council of Examiners for Engineering and Surveying. If you look at the educational requirements for virtually all other licensed professions comparable to a professional engineering, the requirements are substantially more than a bachelor’s degree. Shouldn’t PEs demand the same rigor in our requirements?

The debate shouldn’t be about whether 30 course hours beyond a bachelor’s degree or even whether a master’s degree in engineering is adequate, but whether a traditional master’s degree is enough! Like a JD in law, a degree specifically designed to train those who will practice law, we need a PD in engineering, specifically designed for those who will practice as professional engineers.

Published Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:27 AM by Brad Aldrich, P.E., F.NSPE
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Comments

# re: The PE Degree

Totally agree with Brad.  We need a Masters degree or such specifically designed for those who will practice as professional engineers.  Engineers are not trained in this area for any engineering curriculum that I know of, not to mention many professors do not have professional licensure or have ever practiced professionally.

Wednesday, September 02, 2009 3:58 PM by William K. Ryan, M.S., P.E., MDSPE President

# re: The PE Degree

I disagree. Most engineering students begin specializing in their second year, thus ending their bachelor's degree with three years of professional training in their area of specialty.  This is more concentrated study than lawyers, who do four years of pre-law/frat party and only three years of generalization.

Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:58 AM by Gregg S. Baker

# re: The PE Degree

I am against requiring additional 30 university credits of education to obtain a PE.  I believe there are economic pressures at work to increase student attendance at engineering education institutions which are already out of touch with "real world" engineering preparation requirements.  The four years post B.S. work experience is sufficient.   Also there are a fast growing number of on-line, inexpensive courses available to all, in many engineering specialties.  

Friday, October 16, 2009 9:53 AM by Daniel M. Battleson, PE

# re: The PE Degree

It’s an intriguing question about a PE degree however, not all lawyers take the bar exam but practice law.  I agree there are economic pressures which preclude the need to have PE degree.  In most cases I think the market place has developed certifications for engineers in pursuits that don’t require licensure and it serves the public well.

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:01 PM by Samuel R. Priem, PE

# re: The PE Degree

The need for continuing education as a profeessional is clear.  Interestingly enough we practice for four years before we are then required by licensure, at least in some states, to pursue continuing education. There is a need for a higher level degree, however one can debate if that should be a PE degree or a Masters.  We need to prepare to become a professional engineer as it is not something earned by time and practice alone.  Additional edcuation at the university level is a well warranted approach to consider.  Makeing such a change will not come easily, but it will come.  It is ours to participate in the how.

Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:15 PM by Michael H. Gunsch, PE

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